21st January 2018, 7:40 PM
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(21st January 2018, 7:12 PM)James Temple Wrote: Using condescension as an argument? You're hardly worth arguing with. This planet has existed far longer than humanity; far longer than the people who wrote the bible could have predicted at their time. With progression in science taking a turn for the better in this modern day and age, we're closer to outer space than we ever were. We already have a very solid prediction for most of Earth's history as a planet and as a home. Humans were not there for the start of it. They were not even there for the first millenia.
Even if some God made Earth, that God has long forsaken us and humanity does not deserve reconciliation with any creator.
You don't have to agree with me, but if you're gonna argue, it would help if you used legitimate arguments. Obviously earth has existed much longer than humans. I don't think god "made humans". I do think there is a possibility of an intelligence behind the very laws of physics and matter that allowed for life to happen (And it's a statistical certainty that life exists all over the universe). But forget life, the very fact that there is anything at all is absolutely mind blowing. Something had to exist before the big bang, even if it existed in a way that we cant even come close to understanding. And, logically, something before that. What set everything into motion? Maybe a god, but more likely something entirely alien to our understanding of "things".
If something so small as an animal can manifest intelligence through the laws of physics (as we know them whatever they really are) then I think it's entirely possible that something infinitely larger and more complex than an animal (The universe but more importantly everything beyond the universe) can also manifest intelligence.
Our brains make us think that we as humans are somehow separate from the things around us. That we (life as we understand it) are the only things that can be conscious, but that is really an illusion. If you ever experience ego-death through the use of psychedelics this reality becomes glaringly obvious and the mystery and inconceivable miracle that consciousness is, becomes that much more amazing. What consciousness is is still an absolute mystery and there's reason to believe that the existence of consciousness exists far beyond our tiny spec of dirt. Trust me, we're not THAT special. But even without psychedelics, the realizations can still be made, for example through the dedicated practice of meditation. Or simply through education.
I think you might benefit from approaching this question from a more philosophical (and yes even scientific) angle. Right now, you're taking a more biblical approach and I think we both agree that that doesn't help anyone. Think larger. Think beyond.
At the end of the day nobody knows what is true and what is not. However, through critical thought, one can begin to understand the amazing beauty and wonder of their own existence and I think that benefits everyone, whether or not you believe in God.
