15th June 2022, 8:47 AM
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(15th June 2022, 1:10 AM)Delphinoid Wrote: The techniques he described are essentially for "compressing" higher dimensional data into lower dimensional figures. There are heaps of different ways you can do it, some more intuitive than others, and it continues to be something of interest in pretty much every area of science. As an example I've come across in physics, people often use a Bloch sphere (Hopf fibration of the 3-sphere) to represent qubit states: but how do you represent an array of qubits? Simply using multiple Bloch spheres doesn't work very well, since as soon as you introduce multiple qubits you have to worry about various non-local properties such as entanglement. For two qubits you can introduce a higher-dimensional Hopf fibration, but you quickly run out of these. People have designed lots of interesting alternatives (like this point cloud approach, for the 2-qubit case).
It's interesting how you mentioned the "Hopf Fibration of the 3-sphere" because from what I've learned after doing my research, they use this theory to help us see visual examples of a 4th spatial dimension, since we cannot see it. Keep the thought of a 4th spatial dimension in your head because what I'm about to say next, is going to be very different from what I'm telling you here.
(15th June 2022, 1:10 AM)Delphinoid Wrote: That being said, I think this is kind of beside the point of the thread. If we're talking about spatial dimensions in real life, there's no evidence of reality having greater than 3 spatial dimensions, and as far as I know the universe as we observe it is pretty consistent in 3 dimensions. Of course, there are various branches of string theory that assume higher-dimensional spacetime, but actually not really because they kind of cheat by using a technique known as compactification. It's super interesting, but I'm not a string theorist, so I can't really comment on anything more than this.
Respectfully, I disagree with the statements that you said here. Before I tell you why, let me just say that I wouldn't expect the average human to understand something like this (that is far from obvious) to exist. So, I see what you mean by this. On the other hand, I disagree with you because first off, you need to understand that the spatial dimension that we're currently living in, has parameters which means it is not promised to us. When a person leaves this earth... what they're seeing here now, will look totally different in the 4th spatial dimension.
I'd like for you to watch the above video again, and consider reading THIS article. It'll enlighten you on the 4th dimension.
On the other hand, I don't agree with this statement that he made, towards the very end. "But unless we obtain direct evidence that points towards these claims, we have no choice but to consider them as highly speculative". This is coming from a person who has not left their flesh, before. We are literally living in a virtual reality, filled with parameters.
(15th June 2022, 1:10 AM)Delphinoid Wrote: Once you realize that higher spatial dimensions are not really anything special or extraordinary, but just a generalization of the 3D space that we see every day, they kind of lose a bit of their magic; ultimately the method of visualization doesn't even matter, either (although the one mentioned in the OP is the most natural one). That being said, there are still lots of crazy and interesting things you can learn about these kinds of spaces, and some of these happen to be applicable to pretty concrete, real-world problems. But of course, generalization just for the sake of generalization is its own reward! No, you say? I'm the only one who thinks that? Oh, ok.
Oh trust me, it's very special or extraordinary. The reason you may not think so is because you've never left your flesh, before. There's a whole new and exciting dimension outside of the one we're currently living in. The problem leading to us not being able to fathom that experience and dismiss it as "no verification of its' existence", is simply because we are currently confined to our flesh. However, when we die, then what?
The 3D space that we see everyday, is currently the highest of the 3D spatial dimension that we deal with on a daily basis. But again, the reason that that is all you see atm, is because we haven't left our flesh yet. So, we may not even begin to fathom a more powerful and realistic dimension outside of this. If you still don't believe in the 4th dimension, then may you will when my next thread comes. It mentions astral projecting, which is a way of accessing this higher dimension, without dying.
Unfortunately, I've had out of body experiences before, so let me be the first to tell you that the 4th dimension feels like you're floating through higher planes. This wasn't intentional on my part; just something that used to happen a few times.
(15th June 2022, 1:10 AM)Delphinoid Wrote: I'd also just like to mention something that might be fun to think about. We typically like to think of ourselves as living in a 4D spacetime: 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimensions. What if we think about time as a spatial dimension as well, one that we're always moving forward in? Could it make sense to do this?
It makes sense, as long as you understand that a 4D spatial dimension runs on time, and it exists. I need you to really study that video once more, and read that article. You won't be disappointed, trust me. I'm sharing some of my wisdom with you because you're a really smart guy, who I know will consider it.
At the end of the day, I'm glad you responded to my thread and gave me something to work with. This conversation goes deep because the next thread will unfold what you can expect to deal with, in the 4th dimension.
