Poll: Can you pull off 1 billion experience points, legitimately?
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Of course I can. Anything is possible once I put my mind to it.
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Absolutely not. It’s too astronomically high of a number for me to reach.
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Accumulatively?—yes. Legitimately?—no.
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Take a long, unblinking look at that experience bar. Don’t just glance at it—study it. It’s a discussion that nobody wants to have because from a macroer’s perspective, it isn’t just intimidating
 it’s oppressive. A relentless, unyielding wall that stretches so far beyond reason it almost dares you to try it. Ten-digit rank? That’s not a goal—that’s a siege. It feels like a sisyphean task to achieve the unthinkable and the unfathomable. And every inch forward demands something from you: time you won’t get back, patience that wears thinner by the day, scripts that break the moment you trust them, updates that reset your progress, and an electric bill that quietly reminds you of the cost of obsession.

Every day you leave your house for work, there’s that lingering thought in the back of your mind—whether your CPU is going to overheat, triggering a cascade of problems that will only exacerbate everything you’ve already been dealing with.

So ask yourself—at what point do you crack? At what point do you finally admit that you’ve been pushing your CPU to the brink 24/7 for something that keeps moving further away? When does “just a little more” turn into exhaustion
 into resentment
 into regret?

Let’s stop pretending this is effortless. Forget the tired claim that “high ranks mean no skill.” That’s a shallow take from people who’ve never stood at the edge of this grind. Because reaching a rank like 87 isn’t luck—it’s attrition. It’s endurance. It’s the willingness to sacrifice time, money, and mental stamina for something most people would abandon long before it ever became real.

And if you ever see that number—1,086,681,489—staring back at you at the end of your progress bar, understand what it truly represents. That “+8” isn’t just a bonus—it’s proof that you’ve FOLDED to the elite level and survived a system designed to wear you down. Rank 79+8 isn’t a milestone
 it’s a warning. Because even standing there, after everything it took to get that far, you’re still not at the top.

Not even close.

Forget about the game allegedly having a ridiculous rank cap of 84. To push beyond—to even think about touching rank 87—you’re signing up for years more of the same relentless cycle. Grinding. Waiting. Enduring. No shortcuts. No mercy. Just you
 and a bar that never stops demanding more.

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What’s next? Ask yourself that—honestly. Not out of habit, not out of obsession, but with clarity. Because whatever drove you to claw your way this far wasn’t casual interest
 it was fixation. It consumed your time, your energy, your focus—and it delivered you to a number most people will never even comprehend. 1 billion experience points. Let that sink in. 79+8. At this point you’ve already crossed a threshold that 99% of players will never touch, never see, never endure long enough to understand.

So now what? Farming a number as absurd as 1,358,351,861 experience points is both a triumph and a burden—bittersweet in its glory, yet relentlessly grueling in its pursuit. A base rank of 80 sounds powerful, almost untouchable
 but to what end? At that level, it stops being about progress and starts being about obsession. No one reaches that height without an unshakable fixation on being number one. No one! And by then, rank ties aren’t a thing anymore—there’s no shared victory, no equal footing. Just a solitary climb, where the higher you go, the more alone it becomes.

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If you saw someone with rank 87 today, your first instinct wouldn’t be admiration—it would be suspicion. Because at that level, the grind stops looking human. It starts looking engineered. Manufactured. Like someone bent the rules—quietly, consistently—over years. Even on the official leaderboard, the peak hovers at 82, and only a handful have managed to stand there. Beyond that? It doesn’t feel like progression anymore. It feels like trespassing into territory that was never meant to be reached legitimately.

When you see a rank 87 today, the first thought that penetrates your mind is “why hasn’t this man been banned yet?” When you’re that high of a level, you can relax because you instinctively know that no one is catching up to you. No one makes it this far by accident. At that level, you’ve either mastered the system—or learned how to bend it without breaking it. Staying ahead of updates, stacking every advantage, finding ways to move when others are stalled
 and yes, sometimes surreptitiously pushing your account forward over time. That’s the reality most people don’t want to admit.

And when someone else sees it—really sees it—it doesn’t inspire them. It unsettles them. Because deep down, they understand the gap isn’t just large
 it’s permanent. That kind of distance doesn’t get closed.

It’s like standing at the base of the K2 mountain, staring straight up at something brutally insurmountable. Not impossible in theory—but in reality? For almost everyone, it might as well be.

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Just quit. Take the easy way out—you don’t have what it takes to reach this level. Why keep forcing your CPU through that arduous, relentless strain for something that keeps slipping further out of reach? You’re trying to push a delusional archetype beyond its boundaries by objectively macroing and chasing an outcome that was never meant to become reality. All the multiple macro scripts that you keep writing for your accounts is a colossal waste of your time, yet you still linger on something that will never be reached at the tip of your fingers. Imagine getting so used to grinding 100M only to possess 7.36% of the impossible 1.3B.

That +50k experience grind looks sweet—almost comforting—when you hide it under the surface. Most people would just forfeit and download this bot to their computer if they could. Why squander years of your life stressing your CPU to its core when you could just skim it off to only a few months?—A quick hit of progress, a fleeting sense of control. But you know what it really is. It’s a way to mask the excruciating reality of the climb
 to convince yourself you’re moving forward, when all you’re really doing is prolonging the inevitable burnout.

So how much longer are you going to keep pretending?

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It’s funny how you think that hitting rank 80 (72+8) means that it’s all over, don’t you? Like you’ve finally crossed the line. But that’s the trick—the system lets you feel finished before you actually are. That +8 token boost? It didn’t crown you
 it compensated for you. It dressed up the result, gave you something that looks complete, because deep down it knows most people will never endure what it takes to reach a true, unassisted rank 80. In reality the system laughs at you manically because it instinctively knows that from a rank 72+8 perspective, you now need to grind 5,652,291,176 XP to prove that you can actually reach a real rank 80.

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Try replacing that rank 72 with a true base of 80+8—and then tell me how grueling it really is. Strip away the illusion of progress and face it head-on, where every gain feels slower, heavier, more punishing than the last. The system will not cease at nothing to systematically pick you apart, piece by piece, testing not your skill—but your limits. You didn’t adhere to the 79+8 warning, so perhaps this will be your final chapter.

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And if it doesn’t break you—if you somehow endure long enough to reach an unfathomable rank—then you’re not met with relief. You’re met with a number: 1,697,939,827 experience points. Cold. Indifferent. Demanding even more.

No one gets there by accident. No one stumbles into that kind of progress. That level belongs to a different kind of mindset—one built on relentless persistence, bordering on obsession, where stopping isn’t even a consideration anymore.

Three layers. Three thresholds. Three versions of rank 80 that most people can’t even comprehend—let alone survive. And only two of them have ever been conquered.

1. The Tokens — 72+8 — 227,893,625 XP: Most people don’t even obtain all these rank tokens unless someone lends them a freaking hand. On paper, it looks complete. Polished. Finished. Like you’ve arrived and finally made it. But appearances lie. You’re still nothing but a mere macroer trapped inside the dark and gruesome shadows of a base rank 80. Constantly grinding experience, but never satisfied.

2. The Accumulation — 1,358,351,861 to 1,424,334,975 XP: The one that birthed you and brought you into the real world of experience. No tokens. No bullshit. This is where ranks stop being just a number and starts becoming a test of endurance. Every point is dragged out of time itself. So stop patting yourself on the back thinking that it’s all over when the journey has just begun. That so-called experience cap at rank 84 was placed as an obstructive force of doom dismantling everything that you’ve built from the ground up because they know that you don’t have what it takes to conquer a billion experience points. 

3. The Base — The Final Boss — 1,358,351,861 XP: The real rank 80+8. The man that struck fear into every macroer’s hearts with an insurmountable iron fist of doom. When he spoke, you listened. You didn’t dare speak unless given permission to. He cannot be defeated. And anyone who thinks they’ve got the guts to conquer him is sadly mistaken and trapped inside of a delusional bubble living an endless fairytale. No shortcuts. No supplements. No artificial boost to soften the climb. Just raw, unassisted progression staring back at you like a wall that doesn’t break.

Forget that last level. Seriously—erase it from your mind. Because that’s where the illusion dies.

And the moment you realize that?

That everything you thought was the summit
 was just the halfway point—

That’s when it really begins.

At that point, the question isn’t “how far can you go?”

It’s “what are you willing to become to get there?”

Now get outta here and let this message sink into your minds because it’s astronomically impossible to reach a base of rank 80 or even obtain 79+8.
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Morning @Different,

Thanks for another roller-coaster thread post. It's always interesting to see what you got to say.

I wouldn't say that base rank 80 is impossible. Yes, it'll be time consuming if anything... PR2 has seen and proven that the impossible can be possible and you just need to figure out how to get there.

If you think 1B exp bar is impossible then I guess you will think getting Rank 72 is impossible because 0 to 72 (base rank) you will need to gain 1B exp to get to achieve that.

Rank 0 to 80 is 6,791,759,119 in order to get that base rank (correct me if I am wrong).

Fact

We know that PR2 was REL (released) in 2008 and now it's 2026. The game has been active for 18 years (give or take months)

Alright, now let's say that AlphaZ, FDX3, HelpAcc and myself are done ranking up. (82, 82, 81 & 82). Now let's say that from 2026 to 2046 (probably not but let's pretend) PR2 is still up and running.

Let's say that a new account gets created and we used the three highest account to macro/sim 24/7.

PR2 Exp Math

25 (level completed), 87 pts x3 (261) = 286*5 = 1,430/sim
1,430 xp x30 (min) = 42,900/hour let's say 38,000 for easier number and more of a realistic number to achieve
38,000 x24 (hour) = 912,000/day, now let's say due to random HH's + WBB you'll be able to get 1,000,000 exp/day

Given that we know that we need to macro 6,791,759,119 exp but our daily exp gainage is 1M exp
6,791,759,119 exp / 1,000,000 exp = 6,791.759119 or let's say 6,792 days

Conclusion

Rank 0 to 80 (no rank tokens) can be achieved in about 18.6 years which is a lot but can done but maybe shouldn't unless

Anyways, that is my take on your post.
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@Colind Hey, man. How are you doing?

It’s been a while since I’ve heard from you.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I try to come up with new ideas and explore things that haven’t really been discussed before, and I turn it into something different. It may not intrigue everyone, but it’s always worth a shot to at least try.

Now as far as the 1B experience goes
 “18.6 years” is a long time tbh with you. But then the question shifts towards ‘how long can someone really keep up that grind level before they get burned out?’ 99% of people probably won’t, which is why I gave the impression that it “feels impossible”, but prove me wrong. I like how you took the time out to calculate everything from a mathematical perspective.

Right now I see you’re at level 82. But let’s say suppose you were rank 57, 55, 54, and 54 back in 2009–Colind, Aquarius, Jmarroqu, Sim Race, and Underneath. And you decided to continue that grind from that point moving forward. What rank do you think you would have been today if that were the case, hypothetically speaking? I got you reaching at least 85.
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(20th April 2026, 9:39 PM)Different Wrote: @Colind Hey, man. How are you doing?

It’s been a while since I’ve heard from you.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I try to come up with new ideas and explore things that haven’t really been discussed before, and I turn it into something different. It may not intrigue everyone, but it’s always worth a shot to at least try.

Now as far as the 1B experience goes
 “18.6 years” is a long time tbh with you. But then the question shifts towards ‘how long can someone really keep up that grind level before they get burned out?’ 99% of people probably won’t, which is why I gave the impression that it “feels impossible”, but prove me wrong. I like how you took the time out to calculate everything from a mathematical perspective.

Right now I see you’re at level 82. But let’s say suppose you were rank 57, 55, 54, and 54 back in 2009–Colind, Aquarius, Jmarroqu, Sim Race, and Underneath. And you decided to continue that grind from that point moving forward. What rank do you think you would have been today if that were the case, hypothetically speaking? I got you reaching at least 85.

Yeah, it's been a min since I got on JV2/Discord. I've been pretty busy IRL mode than online and I only get to blame myself for that but I am trying to give myself a balance again. 


We'll not add Sim Race to your question but okay. If Colind is (57), Jmarroqu (55), Aquarius/Underneath are (54) then I would try to go for the 4P Sim route. Although back then, macroing wasn't allowed so I'd have probably be staying up like I always did. Objective simming wasn't a thing, other optimize methods will not be a thing until later in PR2 history. VoM wasn't a thing

Pr2 Math

Colind would be gaining 1,015 exp/sim x30(mins) = 30,450 but let's say 26,000 exp/hour

26,000 exp/hr x24 (hours) = 624,000 exp/day 

624,000 exp/day  x30 (days) = 18,720,000 exp/month 

18,720,000 exp/month x12 (months) = 224,640,000 exp/year

Let's say that I started in Jan 1st of 2009 & and I did until Jan 1st of 2026


17 yrs x 224,640,000 exp = 3,818,880,000 exp

Small Issue:

One thing I do want to let you know that I can't figure out is that each account whenever they rank up, they'll increase the exp that I gain but the higher I go the slowness of when I get rank up.

I can't do all of that because NGL I do not want to but let's say that I might be able to double that exp but I still think I would probably only reach where I am at right now. Rank 82 +

Conclusion: 

Anyways, it was a pleasure chatting with the what if but regardless I feel like I would've given up when the exp bar will take over two years for a single rank because IMO that isn't fun anymore Tongue
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