What phone do you have?

[Kribbles]

Nope! Proprietary software is ALWAYS bad, never going to say it's not. With any individual bit of proprietary software, the user is going to be subjugated by it in some manner. ignore the potentiual hypocrisy of me using the forum revival honoring a proprietary software developer. this may be a form of coping.

No matter whatconvienence it may provide, for it to be proprietary software, it needs some form of user subjugation; source code obfuscation is the typical culprit, but of course there exists many other malicious features.

I could continue the argument, but I honestly feel this is fine. I do personally agree and try to use as much FOSS as I can, but it's just so easy to use the proprietary software.

Digital messaging is a solved problem and it's a shame to see people fall for the worst solutions.

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I could go on another diatribe on why smartphones are terrible in general, but to cut it short I'm not going to recommend the so-called "average user" something that's going to subjugate them just because it's apparently more "convienent" (or rather with a broad walled garden to rope them into).

I fully agree with the fact that messaging is solved, and Signal is such a simple manner to communicate (except you can't adjust audio for people like you can in Discord, which sucks). For the second part, the only benefit I have with smartphones I can use Signal. If there were a flip phone out there that only connected to Signal, I would absolutely buy that. I also agree that smartphones are not good. They ruin so many things. I would continue too, but I think we've derailed this thread enough as it is. Maybe we can make a different thread and talk about these aspects later, or just DM one another.

As much of a kook he is, Stallman, concerning his opinions on software freedom has been vindicated like 99% of the time; where proprietary software exists, there will be computing injustice. I like to link his articles to people because I admire his ironclad tenacity concerning the issues he's passionate about (well, I only mostly see eye-to-eye with him on issues concerning software freedom, copyright law, patent law, and a few other things, but that's for another discussion) and I feel that people need to at least know of these sorts of "extreme" viewpoints. 

Maybe not the best source to cite for my off-the-cuff argument, but I think it's good to put it out there.

I just wanted to make sure you're careful with Stallman, people will immediately balk at your arguments because you back Stallman (which I do too, I'm sad he's so shafted when he should be on par with Torvalds) and call you a nut. I've had this before and it has happened plenty of times. It's very frustrating. It's easier to just directly show the bad things on Apple. It's also more impressive when you shove people 50+ links to news articles about FAANG destroying people.

I don't care about the average user. I am going to CONTINUALLY put down normal people for their technological apathy and there is NOTHING you can do to stop me.

I was an "average user" at one point and realized that most social media preys on the faults of human psychology and that phone games tend to exploit the user far more than your average, say, console or PC game. I don't care if they "enjoy" it, those things tend to be pretty cringe, sorry!

Social media does do this. I agree. This is my first reintroduction to the Internet in a few years. I was in my neat, small imageboard (I see your profile notes the same ) and decided to check out PR2 again.

Glad we agree on these things! I just was pretty peeved by that abhorrent post. Have a good day!

Happy it's settled nicely too. Glad to see someone like you here not afraid to speak your mind.